"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
07/30/2020 at 06:50 • Filed to: bbc, boeing
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"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
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SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> pip bip - choose Corrour
07/30/2020 at 07:18 |
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No point flogging a dead horse. Or the wrong dead horse...
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> pip bip - choose Corrour
07/30/2020 at 07:47 |
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With a bunch of airframes available hopefully some will be turned into cargo hailers to keep seeing them. Sad chapter
LongbowMkII
> pip bip - choose Corrour
07/30/2020 at 07:48 |
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That’s wild considering all the r&d money they just sunk into the 8F
facw
> LongbowMkII
07/30/2020 at 08:11 |
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I mean if they can’t convince airlines/freight carriers to buy them, there’s no point in losing more money to justify the development costs.
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facw
> pip bip - choose Corrour
07/30/2020 at 08:14 |
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The writing has been on the wall for quite a while. It would have already been shut down if not for the UPS purchase, but no one else was buying. And looking at things, I wouldn’t be at all shocked for the 787-8i to start coming back for freighter conversion, no one wants to fly those either, especially in the pandemic world.
ranwhenparked
> pip bip - choose Corrour
07/30/2020 at 08:43 |
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This is kind of just making official what’s been rumored for awhile, production would have stopped already if UPS hadn’t put that big order in in 2018. Can’t keep a production line going indefinitely for just one customer, unless that customer is the US government.
The 777X was kind of already pitched as the 747-8I’s replacement for passengers, and I expect the freight market will be adequately served by converting existing 747 hulls going forward.
Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
> pip bip - choose Corrour
07/30/2020 at 09:04 |
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I love every time I drive on the 14 through Mojave, I get to see these! It’s strange driving along and then seeing a whole line of 747s chillin there on the horizon. I wonder if they allow tours, I'd definitely stop there some time if so.
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ranwhenparked
> facw
07/30/2020 at 09:16 |
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They initially forecast demand for 300 frames, assuming no current orders are cancelled or converted to something else, they will have built 153 by the time production ends. Not sure what the break even point is, but Boeing has admitted in the past that they have turned down several proposals to sell 747-8s below cost simply to maintain economies of scale, and only take orders where they can make an incremental profit per airframe.
The program probably hasn’t been a total disaster financially, they’ve made back at least most of their costs, if not all. But, there’s definitely better ways they could have spent the money, e.g., investing in a 737 replacement.
ttyymmnn
> ranwhenparked
07/30/2020 at 10:11 |
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Yesterday, Boeing announced that the 777X deliveries are delayed until 2022 .
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ttyymmnn
> pip bip - choose Corrour
07/30/2020 at 10:14 |
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My wife was going through old boxes of stuff and found a map of Copenhagen from the mid-80s, when she was an exchange student in West Germany. The airport has a silhouette of a four-engine airliner, presumably a 707 (clearly not to scale) . You certainly won’t see that any more. The era of the four-engine airliner is dead. While I understand the economics, the skies are going to be a lot less interesting.
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ranwhenparked
> ttyymmnn
07/30/2020 at 10:19 |
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Which is fine, there won't much much need for any new commercial airliners at all until then, at the most optimistic.
MrSnrub
> pip bip - choose Corrour
07/30/2020 at 10:23 |
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Sad. 50+ years in production is a great run though. And it outlasted the A380 - take that Frenchies!!!
SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> ttyymmnn
07/30/2020 at 10:29 |
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Part of that has to be the customers whispering that they don’t really need the capacity anyway, so I’d think it lets all parties save face.
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SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> ttyymmnn
07/30/2020 at 10:29 |
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Part of that has to be the customers whispering that they don’t really need the capacity anyway, so I’d think it lets all parties save face.
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ttyymmnn
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
07/30/2020 at 10:30 |
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Yes.
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LongbowMkII
> ranwhenparked
07/30/2020 at 10:39 |
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Nah just slap some bigger turbine fans and some new software in the old ones, what can go wrong?
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ranwhenparked
> LongbowMkII
07/30/2020 at 10:45 |
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And they’ve already spent more time a nd money developing the 737 Max + the recertification process than developing a new plane would haven taken.
Unfortunately, with the world looking at an extended global economic depression probably worse than the 1930s, and a corresponding collapse in travel, Boeing is probably going to have to stick with the Max even longer than they otherwise would have, and maybe do even one more cheap refresh of the 737 to stretch it's lifespan even more.